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obama care. tonight to help us set the record straight about what the health care overhaul means for you and your families for the entire hour we'll be joined by a studio audience made up of doctors and pundits. you will hear from medical professionals about how your coverage will change thanks to this law. first let's remind the viewers how from the beginning the administration tried to use doctors to help sell the big lie. remember this? [ applause ] >> i am thrilled to have all of you here today. you look very spiffy in your coats. we have heard the arguments on both sides of the aisle from the crazy claims about death panels to misleading warnings about a government takeover of our health care system. some of the people who are most supportive of reform are the very medical professionals who know the health care system best -- the doctors and nurses of america. [ applause ] they have seen what happens when their patients can't get the care they need because some insurance company has decided to drop their coverage or water it down. these doctors know what needs to be fixed about our
for you. obama trying to justify this. it's probably the worst apology i have heard and i have heard a few from men. here is the president's apology. this is yesterday. take a listen to this. >> i think for the most part people know that i speak my mind and i tell folk what is i think. i have been clear about what i am trying to do. what we have been trying to do is change it in the least disruptive way possible. ultimately, i will be judged on whether this thing is better for people overall. >> so he's saying, we are off to a bad start. let's all come together, forget the things i said, forget the lies, the confusion. it's going to be better when this actually gets going and more than six people can log on. >> i think he was very, very correct in the last part of the statement. i will be judged on how this unfolds. he will be. this is his legacy. it's going to be a terrible legacy because it was bungled in the beginning then people will realize how bad it is. republicans asking for a delay is a mistake. let it happen. let it unroll, how bad it is, let the costs go up and insurance go up,
. thanks for joining us. >>> tonight on "crossfire" the president and his obama care team are on an apology tour. >> i want to go in and fix it myself but i don't write code. >> why can some politicians admit they were wrong? >> i take full responsibility for my own actions. >> how profoundly sorry i am. >> while others can't? on the left, stephanie cutter. on the right, kevin madden. in the crossfire, rout marcus who supports obama care and grover norquist who opposes it. is apologizing shrewd politics or just sorry? tonight on "crossfire." >>> welcome to "crossfire." i'm kevin madden on the right. >> and i'm stephanie cutter on the left. we have two great guests in the crossfire tonight. first the president's apology. he's sorry because some americans are losing their insurance plans and their new plans are costing more. he did promise if you liked your plan you can keep it. but the way the law has unfolded doesn't live up to that promise. admittedly i've used that line, too. there's no doubt the administration oversold it. but there are some facts here that can't be ignored. we're talkin
. president obama offering a qualified apology of the american people, of the many promises that were broken when the marketplace opened. molly is live from washington with more. >> hi, greg. specifically the promise by the president that if you liked your health insurance plan, you can keep it under obama care. but republicans say more and more americans who are getting notices saying they're going to lose their health insurance plans and will have to pay more for new plans are feeling a, quote, sense of betrayal. >> the white house, the president isn't leveling with us. he's trying to cover his tracks, claiming he never really made these promises. no wonder a member of his own party called this a crisis of confidence. if the president's truly sorry about all this, he'll take steps to right this wrong. >> congressman young says the house will take up a bill next week that would allow people to keep their current health insurance plans. the president said this week that he was sorry that people are finding themselves in this situation, braced on assurances they got from me. he insists most o
in the show. >>> plus, now he's sorry? five weeks into the obama care debacle and in an exclusive nbc interview yesterday, the president had this message for the millions who received insurance plan pink slips. was he sincere? you be the judge. >> i am sorry that they are finding themselves in this situation based on assurances they got from me. >> today, president obama changed the subject from obama care to the economy. interestingly, he had a good section on corporate tax reform. you know what? i love it. but will he really push for it? >>> and is the republican party in better shape than you think? following chris christie's commanding blue state victory, a series of polls shows the gop could be poised for more big wins in 2014. all that and more coming up on "the kudlow report" beginning right now. >>> good evening, everyone. i'm larry kudlow. this is "the kudlow report." we are live here, 7:00 p.m. eastern, 4:00 p.m. pacific. first up tonight, president obama talking up the economy in new orleans today in an attempt, i think, to shift the focus away from his administration's bot
people the to provide them. >> now tonight we find out that president obama's approval rating is now be llow the approl rating of george bush at the same point in his second term. your former boss who was not popular. we were in the midst of iraq, falugia and beheadings. >> and katrina. it's only getting worse for him. this is a manmade disaster, a self-imposed wound. they are not just upset about the roll out. they are upset that he lied to them. when you lose credibility it's hard to get it back. president obama is digging out of a hole not just that people think the rollout has been incompetent. they think he lied to them, misled them. that portends for a bad second term. >> what do you make of the so-called apology last night where he attempted to hit the reset button? >> he needed to do it. if you look at what he said carefully it's interesting. he didn't actually apologize for lying to the american people or even misleading them. he didn't apologize that they are losing health care. he apologized that they can't get into obama care. this is the quote that was fascinating. keep
million private insurance policies, roughly. now, 90 million of them are not subject to obama care. this may surprise you. a self-funded insurance plan, which is roughly 62% of the group market and growing -- that number is growing -- those people are not covered by obama care. so they're not subject to medical loss ratio, all of the things that drive up the cost of the premiums. that's why the obama administration is going to be worried about these people. but that leaves about 78 million people who are in a group plan that is subject to obama care, it's not a self-funded plan, or in the individual market. so 15 million people are going to lose their coverage, that's 20% of the people in the private insurance market who are -- those are 20% of the policies in the private insurance market that are subject to obama care. american action network economist said it will be roughly 35 million or 45% of the policies that are in the -- that are subject to obama care. so, look, this is a bunch of people who got coverage today who will lose their coverage, or have already lost their coverag
to play for you.in obama is trying to justify this and it is probably the worst apology i have heard. i heard a few from men, but here is the president's apology. eve this is yesterday. take a listen to this. >> i think for the most part people know that i speak my mind and i tell folks what i think.nk i have been very clear about what i am trying to do.min what we have been trying to do is change it in the least disruptive way possible. ultimately i think i will be t judged on whether this then iste better for people overall. >> so he was saying we are off to a bad start here, people. let's come together. forget all of the things i said. forget the lies,f the confusio. it is going to be better whenthe this actually gets going and more than six people can loglie on. >> i think he was very, veryr wh correct in the last part of that phrase, the statement l where he said i will be judged on how this unfolds. he will be. this will be his legacy.'ll i have a hunch it is a terrible legacy and peoplehe will say it is bungled froms the beginning. that's until they got the website running and t
governors and politicians to back off and deal with a crucial component of president obama's health care law, the expansion of educate. we find ourselves with who will win the big outstanding state wide election yet to be determined from tuesday night a. key state wide office in virginia. the same office that gave rise to ken cuccinelli. the race is close. it seems there are thousands of ballots that went uncounted on election night. we will film you in on the latest on that. we are wondering if history will, indeed, repeat itself with chris christie playing that role. i have thoughts about that. it involves explaining to you what something called a he cume is. you might want to stick around for that. our friend mellissa harris-perry is taking her dedication will pay off. that is ahead. >>> but first, president obama is waking up in miami, florida today on his tour of southern statesch red southern states encouraging republicans to do something he didn't expect he'd have to be doing 17 months ago. it starts in june of 2012. that's when the supreme court issues its long awaited ruling on obam
and the failed rollout of obama care to blame. all but one of those democrats running for re-election at the white house today to make certain president obama gets the message. i'm lou dobbs. >>> good evening, everybody. obama care is a failure to this point. the white house has repeatedly lied about how it would affect the american public. and the president's own party is now in something of a panic, 15 of the 16 senate democrats who are trying to keep their seats beyond 2014 at the white house today, demanding improvement in the affordable care act and looking for answers as to why the president suddenly changed his "if you like your health care you can keep it" claim after three very long years. senator mark baggitch of alaska expressed his deep displeasure with the president in no uncertain terms. >> i've made my voice pretty well heard over there. he doesn't return my calls all the time because i'm yelling at him all the time on some of the issues. >> i have heard from him on day one. i have called suggesting improvements on the site. >> he won election in 2008 by just 1
a mess. president obama himself has acknowledged that his baby, what he's been fighting for these last four years is sick. he's owned up to the failures of his team which botched the website's launch, and last night in an interview with chuck todd, he owned up to a failure of his own. that people feel betrayed by a promise he made them but couldn't keep. a promise they could keep their insurance if they liked it. let's listen to the president. >> well, first of all, i meant what i said, and we worked hard to try to make sure that we implemented it properly, but obviously we didn't do a good enough job. and i regret that. >> i am sorry that they are finding themselves in this situation based on assurances they got from me. we've got to work hard to make sure that they know we hear them and we're going to do everything we can to deal with folks who find themselves in a tough position as a consequence of this. >> the fact is, these are people in junk plans that could bankrupt them and their families if they ever got sick. the new plans may cost more than they're used to. ask anyone who go
/2 years and $1 billion, shouldn't americans be getting more bang for the buck on obama compare? tonight we will continue our analysis. >>> she's the one that the questions are being asked about. >> more sympathy for an out of control pro football player. now come disturbing new accusations. her r hiraldo with the latest. >>> also, tonight, flash mobs, breaking into stores and more madness from the nutty mayor of toronto. >> [ bleep ]. [ bleep ]. >> you are about to enter the no spin zone. the "factor" begins right now. >>> hi, i'm bill o'reilly. thanks for watching us tonight. president obama in a big bind. that is the subject of this evening's talking points memo. last night the president apologized for not being more direct with the american people about obama care. but it was really a nothing statement, and he had to do it. with anger growing across the country and democratic politicians very angry, mr. obama finally admitted some culpability. >> i am sorry that they, you know, are finding themselves in this situation based on assurances they got from me. we've got to work hard to make
: lou: president obama is being have to fix the failing website. today, suggesting the product has not ended. the polls show the very people obamacare is aimed at do not seem interested in buying health care insurance from the president exchanges. i am lou dobbs. ♪ ♪ lou: good evening, everyone. the uninsured were supposed to be the big winners when obamacare rolled out. but a brand-new gallup poll so that an overwhelming majority of the uninsured haven't so much as log onto health care.gov. 82% of uninsured americans have yet to visit the site and 78% of them say that they have no plans to get insurance through those exchanges. all of that edit the text search leader told reporters that the website is a long way from where it needs to be. and millions that are losing their insurance coverage because of obamacare, and a half apology, back on the campaign trail. blaming the website designers will absolving himself in a dhs secretary kathleen sebelius. >> trying to shift the focus to new orleans, president obama could not note that he has been frustrated with health care.gov. >>
by day for obama care. we're going to have the latest as the administration tries to get back on track.llar of savings on the table by not choosing the right medicare d plan. no one could have left this much money here. whoo-hoo-hoo! yet many seniors whoompare medicare d plans realize they can save hundreds of dollars. cvs/pharmacy wants to help you save on medicare expenses. talk to your cvs pacist, call, or go to cvs.com/compare to get your free, personalized plan comparison today. call, go online, or visit your local store today. [ camera shutter clicks ] now, that's cardworthy. [ n ] all right. here we go. ♪ cardworthy. [ female announcer ] this holiday season, visit shutterfly.com for all your cardworthy moments. >>> reverend jesse jackson reportedly is not welcome these days be the white house. that according to a new book called double down. it claims that mr. obama has such little regard for the reverend jackson that the civil rights leader has been, quote, effectively banned from the white house. despite the president's disregard, jesse jackson has been known at the white ho
. >>> the apology after the pledge. did president obama just join this club? >> no one in the white house staff, no one in this administration, presently employed was involved in this very bizarre incident. >> i did not have sexual relations with that woman. >> if you like your healthcare plan, you will be able to keep your healthcare plan. period. >> all broken promises, and backtracking. but will this one be the most costly to america and then talk about rewarding failure. the government awarding millions in two contracts to the same company behind the glitch-ridden obamacare website. is this d.c. incompetency at its worst? plus, snooped on and now swindled. not only is the government spying on you, the c.i.a. said to be shoveling your tax money to at&t. can you hear me now? "cashin' in." keeping track of your money. starts right now. hi, everyone. i'm eric bolling. welcome to "cashin' in." the crew, wayne rogers, jonathan hoenig, michelle fields, juan williams. welcome, everybody. talk about the words coming back to bite you. >> if you like your healthcare plan, you will be able to keep your
obama care promises, but over obama care forcing people to buy coverage they don't need, like maternity care. well, man up, says a top democrat in the senate. >> somebody said, well, gee, now i've got -- i have to take this policy that covers maternity care. but my wife and i aren't having any more children. and i got to thinking about that. i thought, well, you know what? maybe because my wife and i don't have any more children, and they're grown up, maybe i shouldn't have to pay property taxes to pay for my local schools. we're better than that in this country. we're talking about being a part of our society. same way with health care. it is a value system. >> so what do you think? is he right? buying medical care you don't need is part of america's value system? hi, everyone. i'm brenda buttner. this is "bulls and bears." and here they are, the bulls and bears this week. gary b. smith, tracy byrnes, jonas max ferris, john layfield, and david mercer. john, paying for maternity care or other coverage you don't need is all part of america's value system? >> not part of the america i und
to go out and do a fantastic job. this obama care exchange, it was driven by two things. ideology and ego. i want it on october 1. well, we haven't vetted it. put it out on october 1. that's what it boils down to, this president is not accountable. no one who works for him is not accountable, not just on this, but a slew of events. >> practice makes perfect, or at least not awful. they went through it on the new york stock exchange again and again and again to make sure it went off without a hitch. clearly, they wanted to make sure the launch went smoothly, and it did. lessons for the white house? >> well, they should have known better. they should have tested the health care exchange website. >> well, they didn't. we're past that. >> and they had warnings in approximately saying there's a train wreck coming down the road. watch out. they didn't do anything. >> but he says he said that. you know, it's like these people, i warned them. >> he did say it. >> ok, fine. >> he said it in front of kathleen sebelius in a hearing. i believe it was in a hearing all for the public to see. >>
hit. members of congress and are, also president obama comes out in favor of a minimum wage that will extra money mean some unemployment for others. can a soap opera help a nation heal? we will hear from two of the unusual show's stars. i'm antonio mora. welcome to consider this. high hopes for a break through for world leaders in geneva, the concern is does it give iran too much for too little? president obama is optimistic. >> we don't have to trust them. what we have to do is make sure that there is a good deal in place from the perspective of us verifying what they're doing, we can test it. >> for more i'm johnny damon by trita parsi, the president of the national iranian american council and here in new york is nathan carlson, served with the george w. bush administration, of the group iran. john kerry's trip to geneva, and are sergesergey lavrov is joinie group. do we have a deal? >> we are 90% chance of a deal. particularly folks who got us into iraq complaining about obama doing something that could be problematic, i feel it difficult to believe to be completely fran
in and buy the lousy obama snake oil. what could happen is they make not get enrollment right away. but rick could be right. the enrollment could go up because the punishment for not enroll willing go up. >> morgan, just to be clear about this. this first year is the penalty 1% of your income. so if you make $30,000 a year, $300. that goes up to 2.5% of your income in 2016. >> yeah. i think as long as you have 1% of income right now or $95 to opt out you will see some young adults choose that right now. that being said, going back to rick's point, i happen to agree. if you look at when massachusetts rolled out the healthcare in 2007, the supposed data shows a lot of young adults came in at the last minute. we have a shoddy website. young adults are not going there. they are waiting. another point to be made. we saw the jobs report this week. we have young adults looking for jobs. they're holding out on that option as well. >> rich, there is another thing that young people are waiting for. having kids, i know how they work, rick. rich, kids often will wait until they are forced to, until they
in presidential elections. >> that's right. >> only shows up when obama's on the ballot. and let's be honest about it, the democratic nominee in virginia was not the most inspiring candidate. this was a candidate with dangerously poisonously high unfavorable numbers. so republicans should have won this election. not only did they fail to win the election, but when you look closer at the numbers you're seeing this pronounced gender gap. and you're seeing it's not just, you say the issue of abortion and ken's activism on abortion, but i think it's a wider range of cultural messages that ken cucinelli and that brand that alienates women voters and suburban educated female voters and you saw that as the reason why history was defied in virginia this week. >> one of the things i thought was interesting i mean, the writing for a lot of us, the writing seemed to be on the wall we expected that women would be energized and women would pay attention because it's been so ridiculous between vaginal ultrasounds over the last couple of years, just the litany of things and the level of conversation as you point
?hat will be >> not really because he hasn't khapbchance to launch it. he was hoping to run one of those famous obama campaigns and go out and draw crowds and talk up the project. nstead, he is explaining and apologizi apologizing. really, what he has to do now is buy time. hat is what they are trying to do. they are trying -- the white house is trying to stave off attempts from congress to change the law and maybe reopen the law. what they really are hoping will can hold out s until the end of november when if things go as they planned the website will be up and running, people will be signing up and ou will start to get these testimonials from satisfied customers they hope will help down the problem. gwen: so the apology after the health and human services apologized and now the president. looking at of them him bleeding in the polls and thinking we have to put an end to that? exactly k that is right. they are careful about the they cede to those that would like to change the law. it started low level and worked food chain and finally the president had to say those words, i am sorry. >> why are th
>>> obama care panic. the president gets an earful from senate democrats nervous obama care will hurt their hopes for re-election. and chris kift christie's landslide. winning the majority of women and hispanics. but is he a model for the gop? plus, america's schools get their report card. find out who's making the most improvements. >> i am sorry that they are finding themselves in this situation based on assurances they got from me. >> welcome to "the journal editorial report." as more obama care problems plague the white house, president obama now apologizes that americans are losing their health care coverage when he originally promised they would be able to keep it period. now even democrats are admitting that health care.gov should be shut down until it's fixed and made that proposal to kathleen sebelius this week. >> you've indicated that delays health care for a lot of people. and i appreciate that, but if you want more time, why not just get it done right? >> and this week, 16 democratic senators met with the president at the white house to express their concerns ab
about problems with the healthcare.gov website. plans are being cancelled despite president obama's promises those who like their insurance could keep it. last night he said they are looking at a range of options. here is what his point person, kathleen sebelius said today. >> well, there isn't, i would say, at this point a specific plan. we're looking at a number of options where there may be an opportunity for that number of people to look at plans that they have right now, but there isn't any specific proposal at table immediately. >> well tonight, two republican senators are using new numbers to suggest that obama care is not working. senior white house correspondent jim acosta joins us now. the news doesn't seem to be getting better for obama care. the initial enrollment numbers are expected to be low but the numbers there in washington d.c. are pretty stunning. >> they are depressingly low, anderson. we have letters prom people that participate in the obama care exchange in the district of columbia and released by senators. i have one in front of me right now. it says that t
. and that was not a coincidence. the george w. bush administration, the obama administration, really lots of presidents have shown a pronounced tendency to release the white house salary lists late in the day on friday. the obama administration announced they would keep the george w. bush military tribunals going in an announcement they made late in the day on a friday. when chris christie decided to veto the .50 caliber gunman he suggested in new jersey, he announced it, say with it me now, late in the day on a friday. friday news dumps make the news business the only one in america where the time you are happiest to go to work is at night because of all the junk they do on a friday night because they think no one will notice. today, republicans let fly an epic friday news dump, one that may be the legacy of this entire congress. as you know, this congress has no record of having passed anything at all and i don't say that at an epithet. they have passed no significant legislation since they have been in session at all. nothing. they did shut down the government, almost make the government default, but that's li
. a dramatic week in the battle over obama care. indiana congressman todd young bashing the affordable care act during the weekly gop address after hhs secretary kathleen b sebelius was grilled again by lawmakers and president obama apologized to the american people over promises that were not kept after the marketplace opened. molly heninburg is live in washington with a recap. >> add to that more maintenance work this weekend. on the obama care website. from today until tuesday morning. the irs will be working on part of the website that lets enrollees figure out if they're eligible for government subsidies. that's one of the ways the obama administration has said it will reduce costs to people. some will be able to get taxpayer dollars to help pay for their plans. that part of the site will be down until tuesday morning. millions of people find out in the past month they'll be losing the health care plans they have now. republican todd young says americans feel betrayed by this and by the higher costs many are facing to buy new plans. >> next week, the house will take up the keep your heal
, and dangerous and bad for peace and the international community. >> mag president obama called -- meanwhile president obama called benyamin netanyahu to ease tensions. white house speaks people said any talks of an agreement is premature. >> tensions between iran and the u.s. - michelle carey has more on the issue. >> talks to end iran's nuclear program will go into a third day. there are five sites where iran is believed to be enriching and converting uranium, and a facility where it's suspected that iran is conducting nuclear research and development, prompting sanctions against the country. they target 18 countries from a variety of industries like oil production, banking. the bulk restrict tractions. the iranian people are the ones seeing the effect of sanctions. they hope that the end of the sanctions will bring jobs and international isolation. the hardliners are opposed to bowing to international pressure. >> translation: the u.s. wants iran to be a member of the world which it designed. we don't accept it. if our ties are going to be normal the u.s. should change interactions with i
obama himself has acknowledged that his baby, what he's been fighting for these last four years is sick. he's owned up to the failures of his team which botched the website's launch. and last night in an interview with chuck todd, he owned up to a failure of his own. that people feel betrayed bay promise he made them but couldn't keep. a promise they could keep their insurance if they liked it. let's listen to the president. >> first of all, i meant what i said. and we worked hard to try to make sure we implemented it properly, but obviously we didn't do a good enough job. and i regret that. i am sorry that they are finding themselves in this situation based on assurances they got from me. we've got to work hard to make sure that they know we hear them and we're going to do everything to deal with folks who find themselves in a tough position as a consequence of this. >> the that is corrects are many of the same people who feel betrayed now will be thanking the president later. these are people in so-called junk plans that could bankrupt them and their families if they got sick. the new
think across the country president obama and all the people in congress is looking for models how to do it right and in san francisco our culture has been we don't make people just go to primary centers we try to bring those valuable services to where people live and in tenderloin a lot of people in need live in this wonderful community. and when we are through helping to revitalize the market we're going to bring in a lot of revitalization over a one hundred and a 70 unit here all right. for homeless people by bringing in a prim center i want to thank the health care industry. today is 9-1-1 and we want to thank the first responders for a manmade disaster that effected all of us. there could be a crisis that happens in people's lives and we're taking care of people right here in our community like when we did in rovrnd whether new york or the asian crash where we did so well, with our personnel where people need the health care whether vision or anything. so i want to again thank the heartbeat department and thank the folks for the leadership in the toirnd center. i want to extend a
. but did he have just tell another lie while apology guising for the first lie? president obama claims it's just 5% of people that are at risk of losing their health insurance. but his administration predicted in 2010 that as many as 60% of large companies and 80% of small businesses would be forced to give up the plan they like because of obama care. >> if you missed the president's apology on thursday, take a listen to what he had to say. we'll dive more deeply into these numbers. listen. >> first of all, i meant what i said and we worked hard to try to make sure that we implemented this properly. but, obviously, we didn't do a good enough job, and i regret that. we're talking about 5% of the population who are in what's called the individual market. they're out there buying health insurance on their own. >> so the news agency broke down these numbers. it turns out it's not just 5%. would be over 41 million people, which breaks down to about 17% of the population. karl rove, numbers man himself, did he see what he said about this? >> it wasn't a good apology. you do not apologyize for a
exchanges is prompting congress to extend various deadlines. new polls are showing president obama's job approval is continuing to slide. we are posing questions to democrats, are you concerned that the affordable care act and the issues will hurt the party in the 2014 and 2016 election? that is the question we pose to democrats. we want to hear from you. the phone lines are open. democrats in the eastern and central united states can call in at 202-585-3880. if you are in the mountain or pacific part of the united states, 202-585-3881. you can also catch us on your favorite social media pages, twitter, facebook, or e-mail us at journal@c-span.org. a good saturday morning to you. we want to begin with this headline from "the wall street journal closed quote -- -- "the wall street journal" -- the lessons learned from that accordingone of them, to "the wall street journal" -- we are posing our question to democrats this morning, asking if you are concerned about this early start to the affordable care act, whether it is going to hurt the party in 2014. as we do that i want to show you a n
's something jeb bush said a year ago during the campaign that you know, and that's something president obama has said, as well. i think you know, people go on a show like leno to try to broaden their appeal and soften their edge. cruz faced a few tough questions from leno and i think he handled it fairly well, but you know, he sort of tried to say i'm not so extreme. the only reason i shut down the government was because president obama refused to negotiate on the bigger budget principles. but at the same time, i think leno did expose some of the points that ted cruz is trying to get away from with his father saying extreme comments and gay marriage. cruz didn't answer those, as well. it will be interesting to see how his appeal is able to broaden or not or whether he stays limited to the tea party base. >> listen to more of what he did say on the show. lawrence, take a listen. >> i think americans are deeply frustrated. that washington is broken. and i think it's a bipartisan problem. i mean, i think the biggest divide we have is not between republicans and democrats. it is between entrench
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